Favre CryingAs the Favre saga continues, most of the arguments have distilled down into, "Who can win more games this year, Favre or Rogers?"

Personally, I take it one more step. The Packers won a lot of games last year, but fell one short. I ask, "Who can win a Super Bowl for the Packers, Favre or Rogers?"

The answer is neither Favre or Rogers will take the Pack to the Super Bowl this year, but Rogers at least has a chance to take the Packers next year.

I appreciate everything Favre has done for the Packers, but I also keep two important points in mind. When the Packers were playing the wildcard team, in Lambeau, in January, in the cold, they lost. That is unacceptable. What is worse, Favre look cold, timid, and broken. He didn't have as bad of a game as I probably remember (his QB rating was around 70), but he did not play well enough to win. To be put in the same breath as Aikman, Brady, Bradshaw, and Starr, Favre needed to pull that game out. He needed to throw the game winning touchdown, no the game losing interception.

That lack of clutch playing when it counts is the second thing to keep in mind. As great as Favre looks snatching victory from defeat against the Chiefs or teams like that during the regular season, he has rarley done it when it matters. Favre has only won one Super Bowl, and it is really not because of a lack of a supporting cast. It is "Favre being Favre" in the playoffs, or coming out too amped, or throwing too many interceptions. Favre has a lot of records, but he does not have a lot of rings.

I don't know if Rogers can win a Super Bowl, but I do know that Favre cannot.
Posted By: Chris Burkhardt

Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:15:06 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
You're an idiot.

This entire situation is the dumbest thing I have ever seen in my life. Will someone please explain to me why the Packers are going through all this absurd nonsense to keep the best quarterback they've ever had, who's at the top of his game, from coming back and helping their team make another serious run for the Superbowl? I know, I know . . . they're moving on . . . the lovestory is over . . . Aaron Who? is younger and hotter . . . someone put some LSD in the watercooler at the Packers corporate offices . . .

And you know, I'm really glad Favre filed his reinstatement papers and pushed them. If the Packers GM Thompson is going to shaft BRETT FAVRE at the top of his game (over some personal BS apparently), he's going TO HAVE TO DO IT IN THE LIGHT OF DAY IN FRONT OF THE WORLD! I'm SICK TO DEATH of all this whimpy "he said" "he said" behind the scenes bullcrap and spin, with the Packers trying to look like the victim in this. Let them DO IT! HISTORY WILL REMEMBER WHAT THE DO NOW!

Favre's not Vick, or Pacman, or crazy T.O. HE'S BRETT FAVRE. NO ONE has ever played the game with a higher caliber of sportsmanship, integrity, or commitment. I think some are confused about who the subject of this debacle is. He changed his mind - he didn't break the law or disgrace himself. He just changed his mind, just like Lombardi, Jimmy Connors, Michael Jordan, Joe Namath, and many, many other greats before him. He didn't commit some unforgivable sin.

No matter how this shameful situation comes out, Favre will still be a legend because he's EARNED IT! Thompson, and the others are going to come out as the villains in this piece, not Favre.
Teri Beaugez
Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:17:51 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Teri –

If you want an explanation of why the Packers don’t want Favre back, I’ll provide it.

Before I do that though I’d like to say that Bret Favre was one of the best things to happen to the Packers. There shouldn’t be a Packer fan anywhere that doesn’t appreciate what he has done for the team. He played the game at a high level for many years without missing a start! Amazing!

Now for why the Packers aren’t, and shouldn’t be, excited to have him back;

• He’s not at the top of his game. He played good last year but he wasn’t great. If he is as good as you think why aren’t other teams out bidding each other trying to trade for him?
• He clearly can’t play in the cold anymore. Getting opposing teams into Lambeau for the playoffs is supposed to be the kiss of death for them. With Bret behind center the Packers would be better off playing in San Diego.
• At some point you just have to move on. Favre has been playing this “I’m going to retire”, “I’m not going to retire” game for years. After Bret tearily and officially retired, the Packers spent entire off-season preparing to play without him and used two valuable draft choices on quarterbacks. What are they supposed to do with Brian Brohm and Matt Flynn, release them? And next year, when Favre retires again, should they draft some more quarterbacks, and then release them too when he un-retires again?
• Finally, Bret is still uncontrollable. I thought that by this time he would have learned that he shouldn’t force the ball in to triple coverage. The only thing that has prevented his interception record from being higher than it is is that he throws the ball so hard defensive backs can’t hang onto it.

One more thing – remember this before people start making Ted Thompson into some kind of monster;

Favre didn’t win all those games by himself. Football is still a team game. Mike Sherman was a good coach, but he had absolutely no control over Bret and he was a horrible general manager. Thompson has rebuilt the roster to the point were the Packers are one of the most talented teams on the NFL. He did it without breaking the bank and without Randy Moss (thank goodness). He was also able to upgrade the head coach and the coaching staff.

As far as villains go, I don’t think there are any. Bret is being Bret, and he couldn’t be any different if he tried. Ted Thompson and Packers organization are doing what’s best for the team, that’s what they’re paid to do.
DynacomDave
Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:47:17 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Dave - I couldn't have said it better.

Teri - See Dave's comments. Feel free to rebut any points. Or you can just continue with the "I *heart* Brett" argument.
C. Burkhardt
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