As the Favre saga continues, most of the arguments have distilled down into, "Who can win more games this year, Favre or Rogers?"

Personally, I take it one more step. The Packers won a lot of games last year, but fell one short. I ask, "Who can win a Super Bowl for the Packers, Favre or Rogers?"

The answer is neither Favre or Rogers will take the Pack to the Super Bowl this year, but Rogers at least has a chance to take the Packers next year.

I appreciate everything Favre has done for the Packers, but I also keep two important points in mind. When the Packers were playing the wildcard team, in Lambeau, in January, in the cold, they lost. That is unacceptable. What is worse, Favre look cold, timid, and broken. He didn't have as bad of a game as I probably remember (his QB rating was around 70), but he did not play well enough to win. To be put in the same breath as Aikman, Brady, Bradshaw, and Starr, Favre needed to pull that game out. He needed to throw the game winning touchdown, no the game losing interception.

That lack of clutch playing when it counts is the second thing to keep in mind. As great as Favre looks snatching victory from defeat against the Chiefs or teams like that during the regular season, he has rarley done it when it matters. Favre has only won one Super Bowl, and it is really not because of a lack of a supporting cast. It is "Favre being Favre" in the playoffs, or coming out too amped, or throwing too many interceptions. Favre has a lot of records, but he does not have a lot of rings.

I don't know if Rogers can win a Super Bowl, but I do know that Favre cannot.

Packers training camp opened today, and it was not a very good day for the Packers.

There was more talk about what was going on off the field then on, and it only looks to get worse.

Ryan Grant is not practicing because of a contract dispute, and he is taking the fight to the media.

Favre is of course in the media, and now is threatening to show up at camp. That is all the Packers need right now.

Arguably the two most important offensive players from last year are on the sideline pleading their case to the media. Not only that, the players cannot concentrate on football because every question is about Favre and what Thompson may or may not have said to him. (Has anyone else noticed that Favre usually has something to add about every 3 days?)

To add to the drama, Johnny Jolly, who I think was huge for the Packers last year until he went on IR, was arrested a while ago in Texas. It is good to see he was in camp, but that is just one more distraction.

I hope Packers camp can settle down a bit and they can get to football. But if Ryan Grant doesn't sign a contract and get into camp, and if Favre DOES show up to camp, this season is going to be a circus.

Looks like the Brett Favre "will-he-or-won't-he saga" is really starting to heat up. Cnnsi's front page is full of Favre links. Peter King, Perloff, a blog post about the spot Rogers is in, and a photo essay on past QB replacements.

I understand part of this is cnn/espn/js hyping this story up because there is not much football news right now, and Favre sells issues, but seriously, if I wanted drama I would watch soaps with my girlfriend. I want to watch football, and I'm sure the current Packers want to get ready for football, not play a game of "what does Favre feel like doing now."

I read the King article, and skimmed the rest, and at least Peter King has one good take on the situation that I didn't consider before. He says it might be hard for Favre to be traded because he will count 12 million against the Packers salary cap this year. If they cut him he will count $0, and most teams know that. The only reason to trade with the Packers is so they don't have to compete in free agency.

Favre had a great run, and Packers fans around the world appreciate him. By coming back all he is going to do is split the fans into two camps and lose about half of them.

A big reason I have taken a long break from writing about the Packers is because I didn't want to rip Brett Favre, even though I think he deserves some ripping, especially for the way he played against the Giants.

But with the recent news that he is talking about playing again, I need to come down firmly on the side of Aaron Rodgers. It is his team now, and all that Favre is doing with his comeback talk is tarnishing his good reputation.

Favre is an attention whore with his "I don't know if I will come back" shtick for the last what, 5 years? He made up his mind and now he needs to stick with it.

For the most part Brett had very good year last year, but he showed his age in two cold weather games, and that does not cut it at Lambeau. In the regular season, the Pack would probably be better with Favre over Rodgers, but Favre cannot make it through the playoffs to the Super Bowl, so what does it matter. The Packers may as well start grooming a potential Super Bowl champ (Rogers) rather than stick with someone who can't get it done in the post season.

Favre looked all Packers fans in the eye and said good by, its time he stuck to his word.